FS: Sunsets HPM on Wood

[kingburdy]

Please bigstrunso show your face. Did the bidder actually pay?

I'm kinda thinking the same thing, but if it did thats great for all of us..

[mr Revs]

CN what do you value this at?

http://www.campbarbossa.com/artists_pro ... cts_id=858" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

War By numbers Stencil collage on Paper

http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/War_ ... e_on_Paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[drew55]

here comes the flood (not mine):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0426592829" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I like "This price will look very cheap in two years." Nice sale history as well.

All bubbles eventually pop.

[comiconart]

CN what do you value this at?

http://www.campbarbossa.com/artists_pro ... cts_id=858" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

War By numbers Stencil collage on Paper

http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/War_ ... e_on_Paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why...looking to flip it?

[cybernigel]

CN what do you value this at?

http://www.campbarbossa.com/artists_pro ... cts_id=858" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

War By numbers Stencil collage on Paper

http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/War_ ... e_on_Paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh man, it's huge, from a low edition of 5, and a very popular recent image. The collage elements on those particular HPMs are really fantastic. IMO, those are some of his finest pieces from this period of his career. It is on paper though and above $15K you start getting into canvas territory so I'd put it just south of that.

[comiconart]

The only thing original about an HPM is the collage background. Otherwise, just another screenprint. IMO, there are so many better pieces out there for that kind of money. Add $2k and buy Revs' Chinese Soldiers stencil collage. 100% original, and a much larger piece. To me, these screenprints on wood/metal are only "fine art" as a result of where they are sold...in an art gallery. I can understand $2500 - $4000 depending on image...but anything more than that seems excessive.

[comiconart]

CN what do you value this at?

http://www.campbarbossa.com/artists_pro ... cts_id=858" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

War By numbers Stencil collage on Paper

http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/War_ ... e_on_Paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh man, it's huge, from a low edition of 5, and a very popular recent image. The collage elements on those particular HPMs are really fantastic. IMO, those are some of his finest pieces from this period of his career. It is on paper though and above $15K you start getting into canvas territory so I'd put it just south of that.

Not an HPM, a stencil collage...but I agree on the price. And if you can get a choice 30" x 44" stencil collage for $13k or so...how can an 18" x 24" screenprint be $11k?

[Bonesy]

$11K for an (18x24) HPM on wood of a very desirable image sounds about right to me.

Agree, I think the price is right because of the image.

The Peace Bomber on metal guy needs a wake up call though.

[mr Revs]

"$15K you start getting into canvas territory so I'd put it just south of that."

Can we get a canvas for that much somewhere?

[comiconart]

Sure...Cost of Oil is still available. $15k at White Walls.

[Bonesy]

Id personally much rather the Sunsets HPM than a Chinese Soldiers stencil collage (sorry Rev). The image is the most important factor and Sunsets is one of a few from the past few years that really shines.

[mr Revs]

Id personally much rather the Sunsets HPM than a Chinese Soldiers stencil collage (sorry Rev). The image is the most important factor and Sunsets is one of a few from the past few years that really shines.

I agree with you on the image. But not enough to stop me from forking up another 2k for an image 3 times the size.

[cybernigel]

CN what do you value this at?

http://www.campbarbossa.com/artists_pro ... cts_id=858" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

War By numbers Stencil collage on Paper

http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/War_ ... e_on_Paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh man, it's huge, from a low edition of 5, and a very popular recent image. The collage elements on those particular HPMs are really fantastic. IMO, those are some of his finest pieces from this period of his career. It is on paper though and above $15K you start getting into canvas territory so I'd put it just south of that.

Not an HPM, a stencil collage...but I agree on the price. And if you can get a choice 30" x 44" stencil collage for $13k or so...how can an 18" x 24" screenprint be $11k?

I think being on wood is where the extra value comes in for that HPM. I also think the stencil collage is closer to $15K than $13K.
My $.02

[BrokeFromArt]

How exactly is an HPM on wood different from the normal screenprints on wood? Is there a significant value difference between a normal screen on wood and an HPM?

[cybernigel]

Is there a significant value difference between a normal screen on wood and an HPM?

Definitely. Every HPM is unique and the collage adds a texture that really sets it apart as fine art crafted by hand.

[BrokeFromArt]

Is there a significant value difference between a normal screen on wood and an HPM?

Definitely

and what are the differences between the pieces? Is there a difference in the printing process? How can you tell a wood piece is an HPM? Is there a difference in the printing process?

[BrokeFromArt]

OK - I tried doing a little looking and only got more confused.


camp barbosa calls them "hand painted multiples" - I always thought it was "hand pulled multiples" - as in the screen was personally pulled by the artist on the piece.

Also on EBeans - there is a sunset "HPM wood edition " listed - but also a "wood edition"

I am curious because I have an MLK on wood. The giant.org gallery lists it as an HPM on wood. Ebeans has it listed as "wood edition."

???? Is there a "fine art" dictionary or are all these terms just thrown around?

[rotten]

HPM's have hand collaged and spraypainted elements done on the wood before it is silkscreened.

Screenprints on wood are just straight screenprints onto the wood surface, and usually have a crackle type finish to the ink.

**there are also HPM's on paper/album covers....where the paper is collaged/sprayed, then it has the imagery screenprinted over it.

[cybernigel]

The collage elements are the big difference. They are both screened by hand.

There's been some semantic confusion over what the acronym HPM means but they all refer to what Rotten aptly descibes above.

http://forum.thegiant.org/viewtopic.php ... 2&#p101182" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[password]

The only thing original about an HPM is the collage background. Otherwise, just another screenprint. IMO, there are so many better pieces out there for that kind of money. Add $2k and buy Revs' Chinese Soldiers stencil collage. 100% original, and a much larger piece. To me, these screenprints on wood/metal are only "fine art" as a result of where they are sold...in an art gallery. I can understand $2500 - $4000 depending on image...but anything more than that seems excessive.

The only thing different between screening and stenciling is that paint goes though a silkscreen on one and through an aerosol can in the other. You seem to place too much importance between them. The stencils are machine cut and they just spray onto the surface. Granted, stenciling is more desirable due to the human element and aesthetic factors and therefore commands a premium, but it's not like you are getting a free-hand painted image that is drastically different than a silkscreened one.

The classification and boundaries of "fine art" is a totally different matter and it seems that by your definition, only anything that contains stenciled elements is considered fine art.

[hundreddollarhorse]

here comes the flood (not mine):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0426592829" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I like "This price will look very cheap in two years." Nice sale history as well.

All bubbles eventually pop.

I don't know about $10k but peace bomber is one of Shep's stronger images/designs and it looks pretty amazing on metal.

[anodyne13]

I don't know about $10k but peace bomber is one of Shep's stronger images/designs and it looks pretty amazing on metal.

I'm biased, but I like the 12" album cover one a lot in the square format. I know most people wouldn't want another peace bomber image, but I wish there was a square peace bomber print the same size as the pattern ones.

[password]

here comes the flood (not mine):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0426592829" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Will be interested to see how much this goes for also.

[PDC]

The only thing original about an HPM is the collage background. Otherwise, just another screenprint. IMO, there are so many better pieces out there for that kind of money. Add $2k and buy Revs' Chinese Soldiers stencil collage. 100% original, and a much larger piece. To me, these screenprints on wood/metal are only "fine art" as a result of where they are sold...in an art gallery. I can understand $2500 - $4000 depending on image...but anything more than that seems excessive.

The only thing different between screening and stenciling is that paint goes though a silkscreen on one and through an aerosol can in the other. You seem to place too much importance between them. The stencils are machine cut and they just spray onto the surface. Granted, stenciling is more desirable due to the human element and aesthetic factors and therefore commands a premium, but it's not like you are getting a free-hand painted image that is drastically different than a silkscreened one.

The classification and boundaries of "fine art" is a totally different matter and it seems that by your definition, only anything that contains stenciled elements is considered fine art.

The difference between a hand stenciled piece and screen print is huge, actually. It's not the same result at all.

Also, most of the screens are cut by hand. Only the more detailed background textures are cut by a machine. Unless this is how they are doing it in '09.

[BrokeFromArt]

So the HPM on wood of the MLK looks like this:



and the Screenprint on wood is this:



The screenprinting is exactly the same on both of these. Both have the wood crackling effect. The only difference appears to be the collaged type of background.